Misha and Paulina Åkerholm have spent the past 18 months making their marriage part of their podcast. Instead of keeping relationship difficulties private, they have discussed them in front of thousands of listeners.

According to HBL, the conversations take place in a grey sofa in Jakobstad, where the pair talk about both problems and wider relationship challenges. Paulina Åkerholm says they present themselves in a “dirty light,” which she believes leaves little for others to judge them over.

Openly discussing cracks in a marriage is unusual in public life, but the format has given the couple a clear place in Finland’s Swedish-speaking media sphere. For listeners, the podcast offers a rare glimpse into how a couple chooses to handle conflict in public.